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barrettjet

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AvGas - 2007/10/11 11:34 am Hey JR,

Here is a market that is just waiting to be taken if you can come up with a BG100 derivative.
The General Aviation segment of our economy provides about 1% of our GDP and is mandated to replace our 100LL (100 octane/low lead) gasoline. Many of the piston engine aircraft must have high octane leaded fuel to operate. The big oil people think of it a a pain to produce because it messes up the refinery and costs lotsa $ to produce. It sells for $4 to $5 a gallon. Could be a big market for a new NO LEAD HIGH OCTANE AVGAS.
Read more at
http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-EndOf100LL.htm Time is Flying - Invest

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prangalmighty

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/12 09:40 am barrettjet wrote:
Hey JR,

Here is a market that is just waiting to be taken if you can come up with a BG100 derivative.
The General Aviation segment of our economy provides about 1% of our GDP and is mandated to replace our 100LL (100 octane/low lead) gasoline. Many of the piston engine aircraft must have high octane leaded fuel to operate. The big oil people think of it a a pain to produce because it messes up the refinery and costs lotsa $ to produce. It sells for $4 to $5 a gallon. Could be a big market for a new NO LEAD HIGH OCTANE AVGAS.
Read more at
http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-EndOf100LL.htm

No guarantee you can replace avgas with BG100 to get rid of lead. Aircraft engines need the lead for reasons other than octane rating. The lead is needed in all old piston engines(most of them). NON-Union and proud of it!!!

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barrettjet

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/12 09:50 pm True ... they need the lead if they are using petroleum based gasoline. The thought or hope is that BG100 or a similar USSE fuel would have better lubrication characteristics like the BioDiesel seems to have, along with the higher octane. Worth a look. Big Oil would love to get rid of 100LL avgas. Time is Flying - Invest

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prangalmighty

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/13 07:43 am I suspect They would need to make some modern improvements to the engines to get any FAA approval for a fuel change. If i remeber correctly the problem is with the valves.

Unfortunateley the trial lawyers have killed the general aviation industry in this country, and I doubt the industry can support new engine designs for old aircraft.

Boieng is preparing to start testing biofuels though. If this stuff has as good as or better charecteristics than JetA, that would be thier best market IMHO.

There is also the military who dont have to follow FAA so much. They will put anything in thier gas tanks in the name of performance. I used to run JetA in my VW, but always steered clear of military sump drain leftovers. No telling whats in it.

NON-Union and proud of it!!!

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jovval

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/13 03:02 pm

I would like to see USSE get off the ground
with their 1-st Passion Juice.

Setting record sales with this & then venturing
into a spin off.

Jack of ALL trades & Master None keeps coming to
mind !!!!!!!

What's yur take ??? Luv to hear ya !!!!

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Tomm

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/13 11:15 pm I only hope that J.R. has developed a better sales team no matter what type of fuel or fertilizer he has, or is, developing. I have seen too many companies go belly-up because of improperly trained sales departments. I don't want to own the world...just the part that pays off.

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barrettjet

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/14 01:10 am Just trying to come up with something positive. I would sure like to see USSE find a market and get into the production phase. General Aviation fuel was brought up because it is a market that BIG OIL doesn't want to produce. I don't have any illusions about USSE making AvGas ... but BG100 with Tetra ethel would work ... possibly. As for old aircraft refits it happens all the time. Most of the GA aircraft are old with a fleet average of 20 years or so. A new twin is a millon bucks. My personal aircraft is a 1967 (low time 2500 hrs) Beech TC56 Baron that must have 100LL FUEL. The highpowered planes will have to be scrapped or retrofitted with Turbines or TurboDiesels. Anyway think positive. Stockwire is for the most part a POSITIVE THINKING Forum. I even bought SPKL go Pickle! Time is Flying - Invest

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Tomm

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/15 12:32 am So Barrettjet, any idea as to what the hold-up could be? I really don't see such an opportunity being passed up by a serious business opportunist. I think it is time for J.R. to produce and sell, or just get off the podium and hire someone that knows how to get this show on the road. I don't want to own the world...just the part that pays off.

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dirtycleats76

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/16 08:18 am I just got in again. I sold out several months ago and saw it was down, so I took another swing. HOw long is this worth waiting for?

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barrettjet

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Re:AvGas - 2007/10/17 01:58 am I agree Tomm. We need to see production and according to the business plan I expected to see some real results as to the Vidalia, La. power project. We keep hearing new tangents, but what about the original ones we heard of earlier? How about it Speculator? You were posting what I thought were excellent news reports but I haven't heard much lately. Where's the production?

My comments about AvGas are far fetched(?) but it does represent a market challenge that someone must fill if the 100LL gasoline becomes unavailable. BG100/low(er)leaded would fill the bill if it worked. After all, we have been touted the many uses of JR juice before.

To improve my understanding a little I found this article helpful.

http://www.k0lee.com/blog/2007/08/can-ethanol-be-aviation-fuel.html

As for the nay-sayers read the above article and click on the AGE85 link and you will find that Ethanol AVGAS is already up and running and has STC's (Supplemental Type Certification) for the use in several current aircraft/engine types ... notable the Continental O-470 that REQUIRED 100LL.
They are testing a turbocharged Lycoming.

SO THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM FOR JR JUICE! Time is Flying - Invest

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barrettjet

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Re:AvGas - 2007/11/02 11:11 pm FLIGHT DEMONSTRATES POTENTIAL OF BIODIESEL JET FUEL
The day may come when the private and commercial jets crisscrossing our skies run, at least in part, on plant-based fuels that don't contribute to global warming or resource depletion. That's the goal of pilot and entrepreneur Douglas Rodante who, on Oct. 1, made the first jet flight fueled by 100-percent biodiesel. Rodante and Chief Pilot Carol Sugars first flew a Czechoslovakian-built L-29 aircraft around the pattern before making a 37-minute test-flight at altitudes up to 17,000 feet the following day. The aircraft, which is rated to run on a variety of fuels, including heating oil, required no modifications to run on biodiesel.

Time is Flying - Invest

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jovval

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Re:AvGas - 2007/11/05 10:36 pm

UP UP & AWAY !!!!!!!!!

KEEP IT COMING !!!!!!!!!

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